Probably He acts a lot like i did when i was around 3 years old, so i think he might've been split off around 4 or 5 when i stopped being so happy and started being anxious
@Kei Wendt - jump
it is not unusual for any person - a singlet or plural - to resiscover that what they were like in childhood is still there in their mind.
Children are innocent, happy, nom-judgemental, playful, creative etc. Sometimes those qualities can feel like they were taken off by an experience - a judgemental opinion from the parent, or friends.
But those qualities are never lost. You can reconnect to those qualities by healing the experiences that made those qualities blocked from you. When that happens, you do fee and act as you did in childhood.
Your headmate who disowns your past can also find themself in this situation, as bevause of disowning your buography they are not affected by the effects of those events.
There is no reason to see that through the lens of plurality, it will only block you from actual healing and you reconnecting from that innocent and good part of yourself
The reason i see it through the lens of plurality is because he very obviously has his own identity
4:01 PM
But i'm trying to focus on my symptoms instead of guessing about shit because that can be harmful (i was making an assumption before and i shouldn't have)
My symptoms so far are that he very clearly takes over sometimes, like he's switching. And i get headaches, and lightheaded, and feel depersonalized. I also have memory gaps but i'm not sure if it's related or not(edited)
I had an interesting experience yesterday when i went for a walk with my tulpa, an old man walked past us with a dog on a leash and I didn't feel the usual anxiety I do with dogs when my tulpa kinda took over and possessed me, she kinda stopped to let the dog smell us and smiled at it and the old man
4:37 PM
I have some bad memories about dogs so it kinda baffled me
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
not surprising he switches since you practice tulpamancy, i wouldn’t call that symptoms but just skills that you developed as a tulpamancer
I get headaches and feelings of depersonalization when i switch with him though
Strongest example of that is one time i switched back to front and i forgot who i was for a solid two minutes
I get headaches and feelings of depersonalization when i switch with him though Strongest example of that is one time i switched back to front and i forgot who i was for a solid two minutes
@Kei Wendt - jump
if you will experience more of this over time without the increase of amount of stress in your life, it’s very likely it’s self inflicted and you are training your brain to do it more often
yeah, with antipsychotics
they're often not as effective for the negative (subtractive) symptoms but the positive (additive) symptoms can be completely eliminated
5:04 PM
im going to start new meds that are better for the negative symptoms after i get an ekg
5:06 PM
the thing that makes me think i have something other than schizophrenia is the memory gaps and the depersonalization
but i suppose it's not something to worry about in terms of what disorder i have, rather i should focus on my symptoms
@cleansed - jump
i don’t know how you understand souls, but this is the first time i saw someone attributing gender to spirit.
Gender is a purely identity related trait, which is why you could experience the gender changing due to trauma, because identity is affected by the events you experience all the time.
Do you equal identity with spirit?
The soul is the real you and your soul can be fragmented. Your soul starts out with one gender which corresponds to your sex. You can have soul parts that are opposite sex genders or same sex genders. They have a spiritual gender identity you could say
8:55 AM
the host has a soul the alters are parts of the hosts soul
sounds like a convoluted way of justifying being trans in a set of beliefs that otherwise doesn’t accept trans people. If that works for you that’s fine, but this personal narrative you wrote for yoursef is not something that applies to other people.
When you „help others understand this situation”, what you actually do is just forcing them to form your narrative
Gender is the identity part of sex, and it pretty much proves that there are different traits as if they didnt exist gender woudnt be a necesary part of identity.
without society pople would just be whoever they are and wouldn’t be suppressing the traits that are traditionally considered feminine or masculine like they do in the world of social pressure
10:46 AM
there would be no „trans” people
10:47 AM
because trans only is in the world where gender is recognised
I dont thing thats the case either, i think people are hard coded to supress some of their traits because its useful (not necesarily talking about trans).
Well yeah, if we didnt talk to each other there woudnt exist the word trans, but that doesnt mesn that the word is not applicable to comunicate about this hypothetical scenario and doesnt mean that gender is just social. Gender is still something in our brain.
you could say that some behaviours or oersonality traits depend on amount of hormones, but that depends on sex, and there are always outliars
11:03 AM
Well yeah, if we didnt talk to each other there woudnt exist the word trans, but that doesnt mesn that the word is not applicable to comunicate about this hypothetical scenario and doesnt mean that gender is just social. Gender is still something in our brain.
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
you would only have this conversation because you grew up in the word where gender exist
To people living without that concept it wouldn’t make sense
11:03 AM
world*
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
Well, there would still be people with one sex and another different gender which is my definition of trans. Woudnt that be correct?
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
you are missing the whole point
I dont mean those stupid traits, there would still be behaviors highly correlated with female psycological gender and others to male psycological gender. And to sex because sex is highly correlated with gender.
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
Well yeah, if we didnt talk to each other there woudnt exist the word trans, but that doesnt mesn that the word is not applicable to comunicate about this hypothetical scenario and doesnt mean that gender is just social. Gender is still something in our brain.
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
you would only have this conversation because you grew up in the word where gender exist
To people living without that concept it wouldn’t make sense
I dont mean those stupid traits, there would still be behaviors highly correlated with female psycological gender and others to male psycological gender. And to sex because sex is highly correlated with gender.
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
in the word where there is no gender sex is not correlated to gender, sex IS gender
sex is the sum of physical characteristics, whether its hormones, genitals, chromosomes etc, those all affect behavior, and i think you're confusing that with "psychological gender"
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sex is the sum of physical characteristics, whether its hormones, genitals, chromosomes etc, those all affect behavior, and i think you're confusing that with "psychological gender"
I can act feminine and still have a masculine gender. Or vice versa.
11:13 AM
Gender is only about internal experience.
11:16 AM
And the gender people identify with has a high correlation with some different evolutively advanrageous behaviours. Just like sex has a high correlation with different evolutively advanrageous physical traits.
i don’t think if you can see the weird thing you are doing:
The argument is that in the word where gender is not introduced there is no gender, just sex
And the only way for you to put gender there is to basically look at it through the lens of gender that you got because you grew in the world where gender and sex are two different things
11:23 AM
sorry for typos working and typing on phone at the same time
11:24 AM
you need to detach yourself from all you understand about gender and put yourself in shoes of a person that never was introduced to the idea of gender, not look at that person from the persoective you hold now
11:27 AM
in that world, there might be some behaviours exclusive to one sex.
BUT if let’s say some men have traits that not mamy men do but many women do, those are not female traits anymore, because males also experience it
11:27 AM
and gender has nothing to so with it
11:29 AM
in society there are standards to suppress certain traits. „men don’t cey”, „men don’t wear skirts” (scotland anyone?), „assertive women are bossy narcissits” etc. In the world that has no standards like that people fully express all their traits without thinking if those traits are male or female
11:30 AM
in that word there are no male or female traits, just human traits
11:31 AM
with some behaviours being being possibly selected naturally, but whatever is considered gender expression is fully socially constructed
11:35 AM
it’s weird that you are not understanding what i’m saying given that katie is a headmate in your head that managed to break out from all the restrictions of gender that you got from the society
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
in that world, there might be some behaviours exclusive to one sex.
BUT if let’s say some men have traits that not mamy men do but many women do, those are not female traits anymore, because males also experience it
But "female traits" are not traits that only females have but traits higly correlated to females. And those will exist regardless of me knowing what gender is.
And people with gender dysphoria who feel that theyir bodily sex specific features do not match how they feel will probably still exist.
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
in society there are standards to suppress certain traits. „men don’t cey”, „men don’t wear skirts” (scotland anyone?), „assertive women are bossy narcissits” etc. In the world that has no standards like that people fully express all their traits without thinking if those traits are male or female
Yes, this is correct. "Expression of gender/sex would be socially constructed"
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
it’s weird that you are not understanding what i’m saying given that katie is a headmate in your head that managed to break out from all the restrictions of gender that you got from the society
I do understand what you mean, i just dont think its related to gender. It can be said about any expression of any kind. (There is no expression without society)(edited)
11:49 AM
I believe i do at least.
11:50 AM
I dont think we disagree in almost anything actually.
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
But "female traits" are not traits that only females have but traits higly correlated to females. And those will exist regardless of me knowing what gender is.
And people with gender dysphoria who feel that theyir bodily sex specific features do not match how they feel will probably still exist.
We just woundt call them trans or understand it from a perspective of gender.
11:55 AM
Although probably people with gender dysphoria would quickly realize there is something in their head that is somewhat connected to sex but not quite. (Given that they see other people and understand how the average person is different from them)
KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
it’s weird that you are not understanding what i’m saying given that katie is a headmate in your head that managed to break out from all the restrictions of gender that you got from the society
Just to make sure, without society do you think everyone would be like katie?
I dont think that would be the case. I think people do have some internal identity linked to sex regardless of society.
12:17 PM
In most cases in which they dont explore weird things with their identity as we do.
12:18 PM
Maybe you think people dont have identity if it is not because of society.
